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Poster: HighNRGOne Date: Nov 28, 2005 5:45am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Archive and GD - FACTS

Ok, Mr. Happy. You made your point.

We know whom with you stand by your previous posts.

Again, everyone.....productive replies, please.

[accidental-click duplicate was deleted; so contextless remark pruned here. mod]

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-28 13:45:12

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Poster: laptaper Date: Nov 28, 2005 5:40am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Archive and GD - FACTS

That was an unintentional error in posting - not sure whether it was caused by my browser hanging or a database glitch. In any case, I was trying to delete one of them but can't now because you replied to it. Oh, well.

BTW, my attitude is not because I've "gotten mine". I have shared before, often doing B&Ps, and will do so again.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 28, 2005 5:55am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: duplicate posts

I got rid of the other one, no worries! It happens to people occasionally, not sure why.

Edit: Hah! I just duplicated the error for the first time in thousands of my posts, by stopping the loading while it was posting and hitting submit a second time. So, folks should avoid hitting the button more than once.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-28 13:55:52

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Poster: SpotTheLooney Date: Nov 29, 2005 4:57am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: duplicate posts

[The heck with] B & P!!!!
Postage doesn't cost enough for me to expect the recipient to pay for it!!! Nor do Blank Cdr's.... $?$?$
How about you send it to me for free,then i'll send you something of equal or lesser value for free!!! That's the way i traded in the 80's..Mostly from ads in Relix and Unbroken Chain Magazines.....
Peace

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-29 12:57:39

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Poster: SpotTheLooney Date: Nov 29, 2005 7:47pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: duplicate posts

If I wanted ti say "THE HECK WITH",I would have...Please stop the ridiculus censoring!!!!

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Poster: laptaper Date: Nov 30, 2005 3:45am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: duplicate posts

I'm not sure what your problem is with B&Ps. I've always been glad to do them for people who need help starting their own collections. There have also been times when I either didn't have the time or inclination to increase my own collection, but was happy to help others do so - B&P was a good avenue for that.

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Poster: SpotTheLooney Date: Nov 30, 2005 5:27am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: duplicate posts

Not really a problem forsay,i just miss the days when you could actually trust strangers to send you something on their honor...B&P is something i do,i just ...I guess i was just rambling and didn't really know what i was saying{stoner:-)}
GBTGD and GBTIMA
Peace

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Poster: jcroot Date: Nov 28, 2005 5:55am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Archive and GD - FACTS

I take it "productive" means any posts in agreement with your original legal brief?

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Poster: HighNRGOne Date: Nov 28, 2005 5:57am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Archive and GD - FACTS

Yes, thank you.

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Poster: jcroot Date: Nov 28, 2005 10:06pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Archive and GD - FACTS

gosh what an interesting discussion. why is it greed for the band members to want to regain some control of their music, but not greed when you want that same music for free? the music is still free, you just can't download soundboards from the archive. there's a whole network of traders already set up on etree why not use it?

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Poster: tgvas Date: Nov 29, 2005 3:21am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Archive and GD - FACTS

jcroot - If Jerry were still here, would this be happening?

Answer---NO, it would not!

We all became dead heads and fans, not just for the music, but for the spirit it was delivered.
That spirit was to spread it around, for free, trade, TAPE and record, and it has been that way since the beginning.

If the current Band Members wish to change it all, fine, it is their right, but the spirit of free trade tape and recording existed till November 21st 2005, and as far as I am convcerned, everything up to then should continue to be freely traded.

We can all agree to disagree on this, what will happen however, will be when the Band members see a degrading attendence at their shows to the point of bankruptcy, and that is when they will realize, removing this music was a mistake!

Let's face it, none of the band members has a great voice, none are what I would call the best of the best musicians, we all love them, not just because of the sound, but because of the attitude,

When jerry passed most of their musical talent left, along with music writting and our center, now the band has taken away the rest!

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Poster: gra8tful_al Date: Nov 29, 2005 4:01am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Archive and GD - FACTS

Hey Now....

Nothing but agreement from this-here corner of Dead_Land...I've been an avid fan for decades, and wholeheartedly agree...Jerry would be PISSED!!!!!!!!!

I'd like toe whole quote in context, but I remember reading something about him..."once we play the music, we're done with it..." or something to that effect.

Kids...what, exactly has changed?

Are we all just relegated to Dick's Picks Volume 36(23)?

Annoyed In Naperville IL

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Poster: brenodo Date: Nov 29, 2005 4:01am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Archive and GD - FACTS

Well, I can see that the move to an iTunes model is, well, helpful for iTunes, and most likely the wave of the future for music purchase, but what's up with pulling the audience recordings ?

I understand the removal of Soundboard recordings if and when a comercial release of that same show is announced, some would disagree, but I don't. But why the audience recordings ?

I'm not against the old "snail mail" way of trading, but it's the 21st centry, we should be able to use the internet for these type of trades...

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Poster: weatherreportsuite Date: Nov 29, 2005 4:40am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Archive and GD - FACTS

Thanks for the info, Diana.

Yes - I see how they want to keep the SBDs, but why all the audience tapes - that's the fans!!!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 29, 2005 4:22am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Archive and GD - FACTS due in a few days?

According to Rolling Stone today, "An official statement from the Grateful Dead camp is expected in the next few days." Perhaps we'll know more then.

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Poster: jcroot Date: Nov 29, 2005 3:48am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Archive and GD - FACTS

what was garcia's taping and trading policy for the garcia solo bands? again, you can still trade with other people directly, you just can't download soundboards off the archive. does everybody have the same anger at musicians who never allowed taping and trading in the first place? should we boycott neil young because he doesn't allow taping, or dylan? in the end, this all seems to be a lot more about getting free soundboards conveniently than about some moral ethos that has now been shattered. no one's been betrayed, just inconvenienced. put another way, if the band came out and said we don't want anybody to download free soundboards anymore but didn't ask the archive to stop hosting and left it up to individuals' consciences, would we be seeing all this shouting?

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Poster: HighNRGOne Date: Nov 29, 2005 3:57am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Archive and GD - FACTS

How about this.....it is safe to say that no one ever showed lack of appreciation for the formerly generous policy of Grateful Dead (the band we once knew, not their present 'corporate successors'). Quite the contrary, in fact.....1000's of people put their heart, soul, time, and energy bringing together this amazing body of work to complement the performers' work.....a collection unparalleled in the history of music, I dare say.

It's not about 'ethos', but definitely about ethics (or lack of them). The GD aren't the only ones who made all of this happen....and now they want to negate all of the good-faith work of people who made most of this collection happen (spending more of their lives and energy than all of the GD 'family' combined x 100).

These folks the Dead now s**t on royally spent their time...days, nights, weekends....their money.....their expertise....and on and on.......in simple and justified reliance on a mutual ethic of sharing and respect between them and the performers. So who broke the bargain? And why should anyone defend those who did?

Should not everyone who acted on and spent themselves and their resources in reliance on the GD's previously stated ethic/policy have any say over the results it obtained?

The Dead never contributed one second of recorded content to the Archive. They let everyone else spend all of their time, energy, bandwidth, etc. to advertise and organize it for them.......so should we all just crawl away muttering : oh, thank you so much, corporate leftovers of the Grateful Dead, for the times when you actually had a conscience and a worthy ethic? Go cash in now, on us? Does Soundboard Betty (for example) get a cut of all of this? (Hell no, they've given her the same treatment we are seeing brought to this resource. Apparently the Dead 'family' is more like the Mafia....but one that doesn't even take care of its own, dare you cross one of the 'Dons'....just one that is mercenary and quite self-serving, apparently).

I mean, we are talking about content reproducible infinitely for the cost of electricity....how much can anyone legally, much less morally, capitalize on the work of others (tapers, organizers, re-mixers, uploaders, etc.) simply because it captured or improved the historic record of decades-past performances you gave? There has to be a balance struck, and one that is better than what the giant thumb of the GD corporate machine just did to the scale.....intimidating a non-profit they know is too weak to question or challenge this hijacking.

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Poster: helpontheway Date: Nov 29, 2005 3:46am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Archive and GD - FACTS

I agree with the fact that it's really such a shame. What is to be of these wonderful recordings. Is someone going to sit on them?
I think the question that needs to be asked is: What is needed to get these concerts back on the Archive, so that we all can keep enjoying this great GD-music?

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Poster: gra8tful_al Date: Nov 29, 2005 4:04am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Archive and GD - FACTS

Jerry would be PISSED!!

Wasn't he the one who commented about "being done with the music once we've played the notes..."?

Anxiously awaiting Dick's Picks volume 24,344

Annoyed and Disappointed in Naperville IL

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Poster: weatherreportsuite Date: Nov 29, 2005 4:13am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Archive and GD - FACTS

I'm so upset about this whole thing - they violated us without warning! I have been listening to Grateful Dead almost all the time for the past 4+ years (yes, a late deadhead). Now, I have spent $1000s on DVDs, CDs, merchandise, concerts, books, and I'm even in a GD cover band!! I became a bigger fan every day. Archive was invaluable for checking out different versions of songs, especially from a keyboard player's approach. I didn't need to download every show, but it was helpful for practicing.

I am so upset, I cannot even think about playing any Grateful Dead music. I bought a few shirts from the GD Store the Friday before D-Day - I'm returning them!! I've already signed up on Live365 radio to "cleanse" myself. I'm not sure how I'll proceed with GD - I am truly heartbroken. Maybe this is a blessing in disguise.

If Jerry did not die of a heart attack, he would die from a broken heart.

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